Energy conscious but of course want to light the rooms sufficiently
Downlights May 10th, 2007We are about to move into a new project home. I have an electrician friend who will help me install downlights. I am energy conscious but of course I also want to light the rooms sufficiently, I also want to dim the lights. I have borrowed a sample of the new compact fluorescent lamps in a downlight fixture and with it temporarily wired to an extension chord whilst I held it at the ceiling in a dark room my wife and I were not impressed with the light out put, it was 11W supposedly the equivalent of a 60 Watt but it was more like our camp light in our tent and of course was not dimmable, this lead us to borrow a new Infra red coated dichroic 12 V lamp, which of course is dimmable, the one we borrowed was 20 W but there is a 37 W available that is more like a 55W lamp (apparently) this seemed to give a better light and is the way we are thinking of going, as it has power consumption advantages and gives good light, our dilemma now is how many to fit to a room, getting advice from the internet has confused me no end as some say better to fit more and use dimmers and others suggest 6 is plenty for an average room.


May 10th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
The IRC coating is definitely the way to go if you want halogens!
Please check out our IRC range here.
http://lightingpro.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=150
July 7th, 2008 at 1:01 am
There may be an alternative. There are 11w Megman Dors Dimmable GU10 CFL downlights.
These have 4 step dimming with the standard light switch. THESE DO NOT OPERATE WITH THE ROTATING DIMMING SWITCH.
But of course the light level will be not as good as halogen. But put more lights in to the room. I think if use calculate the energy consumption having 4 11W CFLs will still be better than 2 50W halogens
July 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Hi DK
Yes Megaman has a new range of step dimmable but unfortunately this is not an option for people that already have dimmers.Also the Megaman lamps are Mega Expensive too and the light output is still extremely poor when compared to the light output of the 20 watt IRC halogen
The new Crompton 18 watt GU10 Energy saver globe ( http://lighting-store.com.au/lightshop/product_info.php?cPath=75&products_id=772 ) on the other hand is quite impressive as far as light output is concerned (400 Lumens compared to the 240 Lumens of the 11 watt) but they don’t fit into all fittings as the protrude out below the light fittings
Thanks for the feedback and ideas
Kind regards
Daniel
http://www.lightingpro.com.au/catalog
http://www.lighting-store.com.au/lightshop
April 14th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Hi Daniel,
You have the most fantastic question/answer sections that I have ever come across and thanks for making my understanding of Hallogen downlights so much easier, although I am not there yet!
New Hallogen 12V 50W downlights with transformers were installed right through our rented out townhouse 3 1/2 years ago. Do you think the transformers would have been the electronic ones at that stage? After being installed and tenants in house they discovered there was no insultation in roof so agents arranged for insultation to be blown in after first putting fireproofed cardboard downlight covers over the downlights. We are concerned now that we have to either sell or re-let the house that we want to get the roof space with insultation safe enough. If we changed to 12v IRC 20W Hallogens (?30 degree or ?60degree angle) would we still have to put Isolite covers over the downlights, or would it be sufficient to just put the IRC 20 watt lights straight into the fitting leaving the fireproof cardboard covers in place? Also, I saw in a hardware store an aluminium can type cover (small) – quite cheap – and wondered if these would actually keep the heat down from the roof space enough. I think you could put these up from below the ceiling negating getting up into the roof, but I am not sure? I take it there is no LED light out there yet that would be as good as the MR16 IRC 20 watt hallogen?
Looking forward to your thoughts as our roof space is quite difficult to negotiate and is raked in some parts.
Kind regards, Libby
April 14th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Hi Libby
This is a tough / moral decision
If you want absolute peace of mind then I would do the Isolite covers with the transformer isolator and do it properly. Then you don’t need to change the globes either but you will need to have roof access to fit them. There are other advantages here too! It helps keep your house warm / cool (depending on season), it stops insects and vermin getting through your roof and acts as a acoustic insulation too.
The thing you really need to be conscious of is that if your house was wired up today it would not be compliant with todays rules. The rules were only written after houses burnt down after halogen down lights caused a fire. The downlights themselves aren’t the problem. The problem is all the combustible material that is in the roof – insulation and wood!
I had to laugh when you mentioned cardboard covers. I would love to get one out and see if it would light up with a match. This does not sound safe to me but maybe they have some sort of retardant characteristic
I suppose it really depends if you end up keeping the house or selling it.
The transformer you mentioned could be either wire wound or electronic. Both get hot and both types should be encapsulated in the transformer isolator attached to the isolite guard and not left in the roof floating around.
I found a great fact sheet from NSW Fire Brigade you can download it from the Isolite product page
Thanks for your feedback and I hope I have clarified this for you
Kind regards
Daniel